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• #Shotokan vs sabaki tv

It was Hirokazu Kanazawa, of the S.K.I that reversed the order of Gojushiho Dai & Sho as it was set in the J.K.A.

If you watch the video of the films taken from the 1930's of Gichin Funakoshi's students/Shotokan, you can see such kata's as Nijushiho,Bassai Sho,Kanku Sho being preformed. John, If you read Randall Hassell book " Conversation with the Master" i.e Masatoshi Nakayama.The late Nakayama Sensei,states that he and Gigo Funakoshi went to Kenwa Mabuni ( Shito Ryu) before WW2, to learn the follwing kata, Many of the later added forms in Shotokan are screwed up, including wankan, chinte, unsu,and sochin, the people who added them were college performers after WW11, as far as we know. " think the Shotokan form is messed up some, but I don't know the original it came from. Nagmine called wankan a dateless kata from Tomari Vilage.Who taught it first? No one knows. You'll hear that a lot if people are honest. Okinawan versions are all very close, even the shito ryu Matsukaze is close.ĭoes it come from China, maybe that form I found? No one knows. Wankan? Who knows? They have the signature move same but little else.My bet? Messed up. This information was given me, not secretly but on public forums, by high ranking mostly American Shotokaners who studied in Japan. In Shito, you step back into neko ashi dachi and return to center.I think two steps.Īnd there are at least three shotokan versions of jiin. Some of the Shoto guys went to learn some Shito kata, drank some sake, and did them a few times, later forgot exactly how they went and reconstructed them so completely that there is only about one move the same in Shotokan Unsu with Shito ryu Unshu.Sochin is totally different, Chintei is almost the same as Chinte, but one of the Shoto guys wound up too far forward and did three backward hops to return to centerof embusen, now those hops are in the Shoto version but good.

#Shotokan vs sabaki tv

Japanese nationals being telecast on TV in the Fifties, mind you, and oe of the big guns finishes Gojushiho Dai and hollers 'Sho!' From that point on, the kata names were reversed to save face.True story, either that way or vice versa. The Shotokan people will themselves tell you this, I am one of those who has been helping them research combat apps for the katas, and the history of some of those katas is a source of amusement within the Shoto Community.įor instance the sho and dai in Shotokan katas is reversed from the Okinawan ones.Some of how this happened is really funny. I think the Shotokan form is messed up some, but I don't know the original it came from. Its an authentic Shaolin form, northern I believe, luohan Ch'uan possibly. Reference is from a Chinese book on forms, as printed on what is now the Cyber-Kwoon. It would be pretty difficult for a boxer to compete in a tournament where you can't punch to the face, and would be pretty difficult for a BJJ guy to compete in a tournament where you can only grapple standing up for a maximum of 3 seconds.I mean it is different from both of them, but maybe closer to matsubayashi. To answer your question, I doubt any non karate styles have ever competed. In my ignorance of Karate I thought all fights with this ruleset were Kyokushin Karate. If both fighters are grabbing each other, creating a stalemate, the referee will break them apart immediately. Encircling the opponent’s neck or torso from the front with two hands to pull him into a technique is not permitted. When grabbing from the front with two hands, both hands must reach from the same side of the opponent’s body. A fighter may not encircle the opponent’s leg with one arm, or hold the leg up with two hands. Hand must release hold after three seconds. All kicks to the legs and sweeps to the legs are allowed, with the exception of a direct blow to the front of the knee.Ī fighter may grab his opponent’s shoulder or gi (of arm or leg) for three seconds only while executing a technique.

Kicks and strikes to the groin are not permitted. Hand or elbow strikes or head butts to the neck and face area are not permitted. I didn't know what this was so I googled it.